Meanwhile in Germany...

"bhtooefr" (bhtooefr) 03/06/2018 at 20:38 • Filed to: Volkswagen, Diesel

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Volkswagen apparently doesn’t actually get it.

Meeting CO2 regulations without diesels is doable, and in fact is likely cheaper, given how much shit has to be thrown at them to get them to comply.

Upsize your engines, take the turbos off, add hybrid systems that actually fucking work , and try aerodynamics for a change.

Then, keep adding battery until you can remove the engine.

But no, you’re going to make fucking diesels, and lie again about their cleanliness.

I hope Volkswagen dies, and I don’t care if it takes the entire German and European economies with it. They can’t be allowed to be too big to fail.

duurtlang > bhtooefr 03/07/2018 at 03:26

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I hope Volkswagen dies, and I don’t care if it takes the entire German and European economies with it.

That’s a bit harsh, isn’t it? I don’t wish anything bad to the Mid and North American economies, even though it’s undisputed that democratically elected president Trump is much worse to, well, everything globally than private company VW. And I detest VW. The f-ers made a €17 billion profit in 2017 and are, roughly tied with Toyota, the largest vehicle manufacturer globally. I wouldn’t mind seeing that empire fall. But still, in the grand scale of things whatever VW did pales in comparison to what others (again, Trump) do, so wishing bad on an entire continent due to the wrongdoing of a private company seems at bit absurd to me, especially when coming from a North American.

Meeting CO2 regulations without diesels is doable, and in fact is likely cheaper, given how much shit has to be thrown at them to get them to comply.

No it’s not. N Ox regulations, you’d be absolutely right. Getting diesels to emit very little NOx requires expensive after treatment. They absolutely can be as (relatively) clean as a gasoline engine, but at what cost? Looking purely at C O2 emissions, diesels are better than gasoline engines.

Echo51 > bhtooefr 03/07/2018 at 03:55

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So you also don’t want to see anymore Porsche’s, Bugatti’s, Lambo’s or Bentley’s, and also no more MAN or Scania trucks? You do you.
Edit: Forgot to add Ducati.

Cé hé sin > bhtooefr 03/07/2018 at 04:57

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Meanwhile in America....

bhtooefr > duurtlang 03/07/2018 at 05:16

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But still, in the grand scale of things whatever VW did pales in comparison to what others (again, Trump) do, so wishing bad on an entire continent due to the wrongdoing of a private company seems at bit absurd to me, especially when coming from a North American.

I mean, there’s plenty of reasons why I think North America should also economically collapse, too. And basically every country in the world.

But, in this case, it’s not that I want Germany or Europe to collapse, but if the excuse for not killing Volkswagen is “it’ll collapse the German and therefore European economies”, then let the German and European economies collapse.

No it’s not. N Ox regulations, you’d be absolutely right. Getting diesels to emit very little NOx requires expensive after treatment. They absolutely can be as (relatively) clean as a gasoline engine, but at what cost? Looking purely at C O2 emissions, diesels are better than gasoline engines.

I should have been a bit more clear.

Meeting CO2 regulations and NOx regulations with a gasoline hybrid is likely cheaper than meeting them at the same time with a diesel.

bhtooefr > Cé hé sin 03/07/2018 at 05:17

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That’s a bit of whataboutism, and I think that shit should be ended, too.

Spanfeller is a twat > duurtlang 03/07/2018 at 10:49

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You think AdBlue is too expensive to be practical?

VW cheated, yes. But it doesn’t mean it’s impossible for engineers to actually make the cars compliant, and we don’t then discard a technology that does reduce resource consumption because in the end, maybe fuel economy did drop once the fix was made and AbBlue consumption increased, but those cars are still way more fuel efficient than gasoline cars, even more than some hybrids.

In the end both fuels need after treatments for NOX gases, that’s why motorcycles produce insane amounts of NOX gases: the required aftertreatments and catalysts don’t fit.

Plus, hybridization is like the new turbocharging... do you really think that a Panamera hybrid at full chat is emitting less emissions than the normal one? because the NEDC says so....